A Piper Seminole twin-engine trainer catching low evening sun on the flight line, propellers and both nacelles in frame
Van Nuys Airport · KVNY · 14 CFR 61.63(c)

Commercial Multi-Engine Add-On

Airplane multiengine land, written onto a commercial certificate you already hold. The same $5,100 rating, examined to commercial tolerances, and the sequencing decision that saves roughly thirty hours of the most expensive flying you will ever buy.

$5,100, fixed at enrolmentAbout 30 twin hours avoided by adding afterwardsNo hour floor under 61.63(c)(3)Piper Seminole, owned by the school
$5,100the commercial multi-engine add-on, fixed
~30twin hours avoided by adding rather than earning
0training hours demanded by 14 CFR 61.63(c)(3)
250total hours behind the commercial certificate
What Is Added

Commercial Multi-Engine Add-On: What Is Being Added?

Airplane multiengine land, written onto a commercial certificate that is already in your pocket, under the authority of 14 CFR 61.63(c). Two requirements attach and one relief comes with them. Your instructor endorses the logbook or training record, attesting to competence in the knowledge areas and proficiency in the areas of operation. You pass a practical test. And 61.63(c)(3) lifts part 61's training-time floors for the class rating you are adding, so no federal hour count applies.

The certificate level underneath is what changes, and it changes only one thing: how tightly the examiner marks. The examiner works from whichever Airman Certification Standards match the certificate in your pocket, so a commercial pilot flying this test is held to commercial tolerances on altitude, heading, airspeed and the recovery from the control demonstration. The syllabus is the same syllabus. The standard is not.

One thing this rating does not do is raise your privileges beyond the class. It does not add a type rating and it does not need to: under 14 CFR 61.31(a) a type rating attaches to large aircraft, to turbojets, to powered-lift, and to whatever else the Administrator names through type certificate procedures. A conventional light piston twin sits outside all of that, so the class rating is the whole of what you need to act as pilot in command of one.

61.63(c)(1) endorsementCommercial tolerancesNo type rating required
A Piper Seminole standing among single-engine trainers on the flight line at dusk
The Arithmetic

How Many Multi-Engine Hours Does A Commercial Certificate Require?

It depends entirely on which paragraph you are working under, and this is the single most valuable thing on the page. Adding the class rating afterwards asks for none. Earning the commercial certificate itself with a multiengine class rating, under 14 CFR 61.129(b), asks for about thirty hours of twin flying inside a 250-hour total.

Read 61.129(b) and count the items that specifically name a multiengine airplane. Five of the ten instrument training hours belong in one. Another ten hours of training must be flown in a multiengine airplane that is complex or turbine-powered. Then a daytime cross-country of two hours, straight-line distance over 100 nautical miles, flown in the twin; a night cross-country of the same length, likewise; three hours of test preparation with an instructor, inside the two calendar months running up to the checkride; and ten hours of solo, or of pilot-in-command duties with an instructor aboard, again in the twin.

Add them and you are at roughly thirty hours before anyone starts arguing about whether some of them may be flown simultaneously. A few can overlap in principle — instrument training in a multiengine complex airplane could satisfy two of those lines at once — so treat thirty as the honest order of magnitude rather than a precise total. Even at the optimistic end it is a great many hours in the most expensive aircraft on any training fleet.

Adding the class rating afterwards asks for none of that. 61.63(c)(3) removes the training-time requirement entirely, and in practice ten to fifteen hours in the airplane is what people need. That gap is the whole argument, and it is a regulatory gap rather than a commercial one, which is why it does not depend on trusting anybody's marketing.

Sequencing

Should The Commercial Certificate Be Earned In A Twin, Or Should The Twin Come After?

After, in almost every case. The two routes finish at the same place — a commercial certificate carrying airplane multiengine land — and one of them costs you about thirty hours of light-twin flying that the other does not. Take the commercial certificate in a single, then add the class rating under 61.63(c), and those hours are simply never bought.

The case for the other order is narrower but it is real, and we will not pretend it does not exist. If you actually need multiengine time in your logbook rather than merely a multiengine rating on your certificate — because an operator you are aiming at counts it, or because an insurer will — then hours flown under 61.129(b) are hours you were going to have to buy eventually. Buying them as part of a certificate is not worse than buying them afterwards. It is simply a different purchase, and the price reflects that.

The failure mode to avoid is buying route two by accident. It happens when a quote is described as a commercial multi-engine program without anyone explaining which paragraph it is built on. Ask the question directly and the fog clears in one sentence: is this 61.63(c) or 61.129(b)?

A row of twin-engine and single-engine training aircraft on the ramp at first light with mountains beyond
The Sequence

How Does The Add-On Run After A Commercial Certificate?

Five stages, normally inside two weeks of consecutive days. A commercial pilot arrives with better hands than a private pilot does, so the flying stages move quickly. The systems ground work does not, and neither does the drill repetition.

1

Systems, On The Ground

Fuel and crossfeed logic, electrical layout, hydraulics, propeller governors, the feathering mechanism and the accumulator that unfeathers. A commercial oral goes deeper here than a private one does, and this is the stage where holding a commercial certificate helps you least.

2

The Airplane, Flown Normally

Taxi, takeoff, climb, cruise, circuit and landing, plus the gear and propeller flows until they run without thought. Usually the shortest stage of the course for a commercial pilot, because the underlying handling is already there.

3

Failures, To Commercial Tolerance

Identify, verify, feather, secure, then again with the instructor picking the moment. The difference at commercial level is not that the drill changes; it is that the airplane is expected to stay much closer to the numbers while you run it.

4

The Control Demonstration And Single-Engine Approaches

Flown high, with the FAA's Airplane Flying Handbook directing that the manoeuvre be set up at least 3,000 feet above the ground. Then approaches on one engine, held to commercial tolerances rather than private ones, which is where most of the extra polish goes.

5

Rehearsal, Then The Practical Test

A full dress rehearsal flown with an instructor who has not been teaching you, which catches the habits your own instructor stopped noticing weeks ago. Then the designated pilot examiner, with the 61.63(c)(1) endorsement in the logbook first.

The Examination

How Does A Commercial-Level Twin Checkride Differ?

The task list is broadly the same and the tolerances are not. You are examined against the standards for the certificate you already hold, so the same syllabus is marked more tightly, and the difference shows up in three specific places rather than uniformly across the flight.

A lime-green Piper Seminole standing on the Van Nuys ramp under clear blue sky, photographed from the front quarter

The Numbers Get Smaller

Altitude, heading and airspeed tolerances tighten at commercial level, and they tighten during the asymmetric work as well as during ordinary manoeuvres. Holding a heading within a few degrees while feeding in whatever rudder the airplane demands is a different exercise from holding it in balanced flight, and that is where commercial candidates most often lose polish rather than lose control.

  • Tighter altitude and heading tolerances throughout
  • Applied during single-engine work, not only in cruise
  • The rudder load is constant and asymmetric
  • Precision under that load is what is being marked

The Oral Goes Further Into Systems

A commercial examiner will push on why rather than what. Not simply which tank feeds which engine, but what happens to the fuel picture when a crossfeed is selected in the wrong direction. Not simply that the propeller feathers, but what the accumulator is for and what happens if it is empty. Reading the flight manual rather than a summary of it is the difference between a comfortable oral and an uncomfortable one.

  • Crossfeed logic, in both directions
  • Which electrical bus survives which failure
  • The unfeathering accumulator and its limits
  • Gear extension, and the emergency method

Two Limitations Worth Avoiding Before You Start

14 CFR 61.45(b)(2) allows a practical test in an aircraft whose operating characteristics stop you demonstrating every required task, and then issues the certificate or rating carrying a limitation to match. Two limitations arise this way in multiengine testing and both are avoidable if you plan for them.

The first is an Airplane Multiengine VFR Only limitation, which lands on a pilot who is not instrument rated. The second is a centerline-thrust limitation, which lands on somebody who tests in an airplane carrying its engines on the fuselage centreline rather than out along the wings, because such an airplane cannot show the asymmetric tasks at all. Neither arises here: our twin has wing-mounted engines, and we will tell you to take the instrument rating first if you are heading that way.

  • Airplane Multiengine VFR Only — avoided by holding the instrument rating
  • Centerline thrust — avoided by testing in a conventional twin
  • Both are removable later, at the cost of another practical test
  • Both are cheaper to avoid than to remove
Privileges

What Does The Rating Let A Commercial Pilot Do?

It adds a class to the certificate, and a class rating is what opens a group of aircraft to you as pilot in command. What it does not do is add privileges the certificate itself does not already carry, which is worth being precise about.

Act As Pilot In Command Of A Light Twin

Airplane multiengine land is the class rating that covers conventional piston twins. No type rating is needed for one, because 14 CFR 61.31(a) reserves type ratings for large aircraft, turbojets, powered-lift and aircraft the Administrator names.

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Exercise Commercial Privileges In That Class

The commercial privileges you already hold now extend to multiengine airplanes as well as single-engine ones. The rating does not create privileges; it widens the set of aircraft in which existing ones apply.

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Sit The MEI Practical Test Later

A multi-engine instructor rating is a separate certificate action and a separate test. Holding the class rating is the prerequisite for pursuing it, not the same thing as having it.

Fly A Complex Airplane, With The Endorsement

Most light twins are complex. Before anyone acts as pilot in command of one, 14 CFR 61.31(e) wants ground and flight training in a complex airplane, a finding of proficiency, and a single logbook endorsement. That signature is separate from the class rating.

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Count Currency Separately

Under 14 CFR 61.57(a)(1) the three takeoffs and landings inside the previous 90 days must be flown in an aircraft matching on category, class and type wherever a class or type rating applies. Single-engine currency does not carry across to the twin.

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Nothing Beyond That

The rating is not an airline job, a pathway, or an interview. No carrier is named on this site, no hiring relationship exists, and nothing here should be read as a promise about employment.

Complex

Does The Multi-Engine Rating Include The Complex Endorsement?

No, and the two are frequently confused because they usually arrive on the same afternoon. A complex airplane carries retractable gear, flaps and a propeller whose pitch you control, which describes most light twins including the one we teach in. Before anyone acts as pilot in command of such an airplane, 14 CFR 61.31(e) wants training on the ground and in the air from an authorized instructor, a finding of proficiency in the machine and its systems, and one logbook endorsement to record it.

That endorsement is a separate signature from the 61.63(c)(1) endorsement that lets you take the multi-engine practical test. In practice a pilot training in the Seminole will receive both, but they answer different questions and an examiner may well ask you which is which. Anyone who tells you the class rating automatically covers complex operations has skipped a paragraph.

The rule also carries its own exceptions at 61.31(e)(2), which cover pilots who logged complex time before August 1997 or who completed an approved training program with a competency check under part 135. Most people reading this page fall under neither, but if you are one of the few, bring the documentation and the training record rather than the recollection.

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The Price

What Does The Commercial Multi-Engine Add-On Cost?

$5,100, fixed at enrolment, and the same figure whether the certificate underneath it is private or commercial. The rating is the product. The certificate level changes how the examiner marks it, not what it costs to teach.

Most Enrolled

Multi-Engine Add-On

$5,100

Airplane multiengine land added to a commercial certificate, examined to commercial tolerances.

  • Seminole time flown to practical test standard
  • An instructor on every hour of it
  • Systems ground instruction for a commercial oral
  • Every engine-out, feathering and V_MC exercise
  • The 61.63(c)(1) endorsement
  • Unchanged if you need longer than average
See The Full Cost Breakdown

Airline Career Track

$89,000

Every certificate and rating in one sequence, with the commercial certificate and the twin rating in the order that avoids the thirty hours.

  • Private, instrument, commercial, multi, instructor
  • Sequenced under 61.63(c) rather than 61.129(b)
  • Financing from $2,500 down
Read The Career Track Page

Multi-Engine Discovery Flight

$499

A fixed-price first flight in the twin with an instructor. Loggable, and credited against a program you enrol in inside a day.

  • Hands on the controls of the multi-engine trainer
  • Useful before committing to a sequencing decision
  • Credited in full on enrolment inside a day
Book The Multi-Engine Flight

Redbird MCX Session

$189

Full-motion and fully enclosed. Cheaper than the airplane for drilling identification, flows and checklist discipline.

  • Never scrubbed for cloud or wind
  • Good for failure recognition under load
  • Weak on landings, and we say so
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No hourly figure for the Piper Seminole appears on this site, and none ever will. The $499 discovery flight is a fixed-price flight rather than a rate, and it is not multiplied by anything. The single hourly rate published anywhere here is $179 wet in a single-engine airplane for students already enrolled, covering the airframe and its fuel and never the person in the right seat. Outside the $5,100: the examiner, your medical certificate, and the equipment you buy for yourself.
The Order That Saves

What Does The Sequencing Decision Actually Save?

About thirty hours of light-twin flying, which is why this is the most consequential ordering decision on the whole commercial route. Both columns end with the same certificate and the same class rating.

The Cheaper Order

Commercial First, Twin After

$5,100

The commercial certificate flown in a single-engine airplane, then airplane multiengine land added under 61.63(c).

  • No multiengine hour requirement at all
  • Ten to fifteen hours in the Seminole in practice
  • Ten to fourteen days once you start
  • No extra knowledge test
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Commercial Earned In The Twin

$89,000

Priced inside the career track rather than sold separately, because the multiengine hours are spread across the whole certificate.

  • 250 total hours under 14 CFR 61.129(b)
  • About 30 of them in a multiengine airplane
  • Commercial knowledge test still required
  • Right answer if you genuinely need the twin time
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Instrument Rating First

$11,700

Worth taking before the twin either way, because it removes the VFR-only limitation risk on the multi-engine practical test.

  • Avoids an Airplane Multiengine VFR Only limitation
  • Actual instrument conditions available at this field
  • Priced as a rating, not an hour count
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Every figure here is a package price set at enrolment. No ranges are published on this site, and no price sits behind an enquiry form.
Afterwards

Can You Instruct In Twins After The Commercial Add-On?

Not on the strength of this rating alone. Teaching in a twin calls for a flight instructor certificate carrying a multiengine class rating, which is a separate certificate action with a practical test of its own. The commercial add-on is the prerequisite for going after it, not a substitute for having it.

There is a second gate afterwards that catches people by surprise. 14 CFR 61.195(f) shuts any instructor out of multiengine rating instruction until five hours as pilot in command of that exact make and model are already logged. So a newly minted multi-engine instructor who has flown one type cannot immediately teach in a different one, and has to build those five hours first.

It is a small number and it is a real constraint on staffing, which is why it is worth asking any school how many of its instructors clear it in the airplane you would be flying. On a compressed course, the answer decides whether a fortnight stays a fortnight.

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The Two Orders

Which Order Should You Take The Commercial Certificate And The Twin?

Both columns finish with a commercial certificate carrying airplane multiengine land. One of them buys about thirty hours of multiengine flying on the way. Choose deliberately rather than by accident, because the difference is the largest single sum in this cluster.

Usually RightOrder One

Commercial First, Then Add The Twin

Commercial certificate flown single-engine under 61.129(a), then the class rating added under 61.63(c).

Best foranyone who wants the rating rather than the hours

  • Multiengine Hours RequiredNone specified
  • Twin Hours In Practice10–15
  • Extra Knowledge TestNone for the add-on
  • Add-On Price Here$5,100
  • Elapsed Time For The Add-On10–14 days
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Order Two

Earn The Commercial Certificate In The Twin

The aeronautical experience for the commercial certificate flown under 61.129(b), in a multiengine airplane.

Best fora pilot who needs multiengine time counted in a logbook

  • Multiengine Hours RequiredAbout 30, itemised
  • Total Flight Time250 hours
  • Extra Knowledge TestCommercial written
  • Where It Is PricedInside the career track
  • Elapsed TimeMonths
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Side By Side

Commercial First, Twin AfterCommercial Earned In The Twin
Governing Paragraph61.129(a) then 61.63(c)61.129(b)
Multiengine Hours RequiredNone specifiedAbout 30, itemised
Twin Time You Will Actually Fly10 to 15 hoursAbout 30 hours
Knowledge Test For The TwinNoneCommercial written
Ends WithCommercial AMELCommercial AMEL
Published Price Here$5,100 for the add-onInside $89,000
Comparing Quotes

How Do You Compare Two Commercial Multi-Engine Quotes?

Establish which regulation each one is built on before you compare a single figure. This is the one place in flight training where two schools can quote for what sounds like the same product and be selling objects separated by thirty hours of twin flying. A quote that is several times larger may be entirely fair; it may simply contain 61.129(b) where the other contains 61.63(c).

Then the ordinary five. Is the number a total or a rate? Is the instructor inside it or beside it? What happens if the syllabus runs five hours long, and will they put that in writing? Does the figure carry the systems ground instruction a commercial oral will actually test? And which exclusions were offered to you rather than discovered by you? No school is named on this site and no competitor's figure appears here. These are questions, not accusations.

One last check that people skip: ask whether the school's twin is owned or chartered. It predicts whether a fixed price can survive a slow fortnight, and it predicts whether tomorrow morning is available. A quote is only as good as the airplane behind it.

61.63(c) or 61.129(b)?Total or rate?Owned or chartered?
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Checkable

What Can You Confirm Before Committing To A Commercial Add-On?

Four things, all of them verifiable by asking rather than by trusting. A commercial-level twin checkride is unforgiving, and what decides it is structural rather than motivational.

5

Make-And-Model Hours Behind Every Multi Instructor

14 CFR 61.195(f) keeps an instructor out of multiengine rating instruction until five hours as pilot in command of that exact make and model are logged. Ask how many people on the staff clear it in the aircraft you would fly.

14 CFR 61.195(f)
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A Twin Owned Rather Than Chartered For The Day

The Piper Seminole belongs to the operation and sits on this field, which is what allows a fixed price and a promise about tomorrow morning. Because it is used to give instruction for hire it carries the inspection regime that rule imposes.

14 CFR 91.409(b)
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Flight Instructors Across The Operation

Each carries a commercial certificate or an ATP, then a flight instructor certificate on top, then a current medical. Each is also, legally, the pilot in command of your flight.

FAA Airmen Registry · 14 CFR 61.23
$189

A Full-Motion Simulator Session, Priced In Public

The Redbird MCX is fully enclosed and never scrubbed for weather, which makes it useful for identification drills and flows. It is published at a price rather than folded into a package you cannot inspect.

Published in full
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Prices Sitting Behind An Enquiry Form

None. $5,100 is on this page with its exclusions named, and every other course price is published on the cost page.

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Commercial Add-On Questions

What People Ask About The Commercial Add-On

Airplane multiengine land added to a commercial certificate under 14 CFR 61.63(c): an instructor endorsement, a practical test, and no training-time floor. The syllabus is the same as at private level; the examiner marks it against commercial standards. $5,100 here, fixed at enrolment, flown in a Piper Seminole.

The rating itself is identical — airplane multiengine land. What differs is the certificate it sits on and therefore the tolerances the examiner applies. The confusing case is a program that earns the commercial certificate itself in a twin under 61.129(b), which is a much bigger purchase and a different regulation.

Under 14 CFR 61.129(b) the named items that must be flown in a multiengine airplane come to roughly thirty hours inside a 250-hour total: five of the ten instrument training hours, ten hours in a multiengine complex or turbine airplane, a two-hour day cross-country, a two-hour night cross-country, three hours of test preparation, and ten hours of solo or supervised pilot-in-command duties.

Commercial first, then the twin added afterwards, in almost every case. The class rating route, at 61.63(c), carries no multiengine hour requirement at all, whereas earning the certificate in a twin under 61.129(b) carries about thirty hours of the most expensive flying on any training fleet.

A restriction printed on the certificate when the multi-engine practical test could not cover the instrument tasks, which is what happens when the applicant is not instrument rated. 14 CFR 61.45(b)(2) is the mechanism: a test may be flown in an aircraft that cannot show every task, and the rating is then issued with a matching limitation. Removing it later means another practical test.

It appears when the multi-engine test is flown in an airplane whose engines sit on the fuselage centreline rather than out on the wings, because such an airplane cannot demonstrate the asymmetric tasks. It does not arise here: the Piper Seminole has wing-mounted engines, so the asymmetric work is flown and no limitation attaches.

Not as a matter of 61.63(c). But a commercial pilot without an instrument rating who takes the multi-engine test will collect an Airplane Multiengine VFR Only limitation under 61.45(b)(2), and most commercial pilots are instrument rated anyway. If you are not, take the instrument rating first.

Ten to fourteen days flying consecutive days, the same as at private level, and often nearer the bottom of that range because a commercial pilot arrives with better hands. The systems ground work does not shorten, and neither does the drill repetition that engine-out handling needs.

No. 14 CFR 61.63(c)(4) waives the extra knowledge test wherever an airplane rating already sits on the certificate at that level, which it does for any commercial pilot. There is still an oral at the practical test, and at commercial level it goes further into systems than most candidates expect.

Not on this rating alone. Teaching in a multiengine airplane needs a flight instructor certificate carrying a multiengine class rating, which is a separate practical test. On top of that, five hours as pilot in command of the specific make and model is what 14 CFR 61.195(f) demands before an instructor may teach toward a rating in it.

No. Ground and flight training in a complex airplane, a finding of proficiency, and a single logbook endorsement are what 14 CFR 61.31(e) asks for, and that signature is separate from the 61.63(c)(1) endorsement for the practical test. In practice you will receive both while training in the Seminole, but they answer different questions.

No. Type ratings are reserved by 14 CFR 61.31(a) for large aircraft, turbojets, powered-lift, and whatever else the Administrator names through type certificate procedures. A conventional light piston twin falls outside all of those, so the airplane multiengine land class rating is the whole of what you need.

Before You Decide The Order

One Flight In The Twin, Before You Sequence Anything

The sequencing decision on this page is worth about thirty hours of multiengine flying. Fly the Seminole once first, hands on the controls, logged as instruction, and make the decision with the airplane in your hands rather than on a spreadsheet.

Multi-Engine Discovery Flight
$499
Credited in full against a program you enrol in inside a day.
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Fly The Aeroplane Once, Then Decide

The assessment flight is the first hour of the syllabus and a two-way evaluation. You fly it from the left seat with an instructor beside you, they write down what they saw, and you get an honest read on whether the plan is realistic. It is loggable, and it is credited in full against enrolment if you enroll within 24 hours.

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